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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic zone episode number

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for the 6th of august 2011.

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richard saunders here with you once

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again from a very sunny

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lovely warm wintry

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sydney australia

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if you're in sydney right now what are

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you doing listening to the podcast get

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outside and enjoy the wonderful weather

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we're having

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on this week's show

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much more from tam 9 in las vegas

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although i don't remember much about it

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at all apparently i was there i must

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have been there because i interviewed

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ross and carrie from the ono ross and

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carrie podcast their philosophy is they

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do the wacky strange things

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so you don't have to

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what an interesting interview coming up

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with ross and carrie i'm so glad i did

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this interview because i can scarcely

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remember meeting them but then again i

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scarcely remember anything from

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tam 9. it's very sad never mind after

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that maybe

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we have someone who could possibly help

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me with my

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various problems it's dr stefan soyker

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ah yes dr stefan soyker back again

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this time with good advice about your

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third eye

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with dr stefan soyker coming up a bit

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later in the show then it's back to las

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vegas where dr raichi reports she

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interviews captain disillusion

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a great friend of the skeptic's own

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captain disillusion if you haven't seen

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his stuff check it out there'll be links

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in the show and on the show notes too he

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does wonderful things deconstructing

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online videos and he's a great guy then

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we have a mini think tank

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very many think tank it's well it's just

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me and maynard having a chat over some

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lunch

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it's very nice to catch up with maynard

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every now and then have a chat

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and we talk about skeptical issues i

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hope you enjoy it

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and to wrap up the show

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we go back to las vegas it's a bit of a

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yo-yo thing happening here

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lucky for me very lucky for me dr raichi

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uh did some audio recording of the

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skeptic's guide to the universe dinner

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auction

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where they kindly invited me to be the

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auctioneer

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and we pick up the action

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right at the very last item up for bid

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which was the chance for someone in the

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audience to be a guest rogue on the

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skeptic's guide to the universe

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here the auction

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and uh you'll you'll find out how much

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that prize actually went for in the end

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it's very exciting for me to listen to

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i almost wish i could be in the audience

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bidding as well

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so that's the show for today

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last week it was chicken soup and i

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chicken soup chicken noodle soup it was

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good folks mmm but today's a bit warmer

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actually today's a bit warmer you know

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what i'm not gonna actually have any

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nice thick slice of sourdough

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sorry and i'll let you enjoy

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well here still at tam las vegas having

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a wonderful time being run around so

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many people here folks i can't even

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delightful people and i've come here to

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interview them hello ross hello hello

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worship and then most recently uh

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six-month investigation where we became

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not armchair skeptics at all right

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knowledge we look at what you know

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actually go there yeah and uh check it

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out firsthand and like i said start

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asking those questions find out when

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they ask you for money

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how they respond to the questions you

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ask and then we report back on that i

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like the motto of the show we show up so

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you don't have to that's right yeah

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because you know you hear about all

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these things all the time you hear about

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ear handling maybe you've read an

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article about it but hardly anyone knows

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someone who's gone and done it um so

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well i certainly haven't and then and

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then you know i got ear candles so then

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i can report back on this is what is

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earwax i'm shocked um i've i've bought

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candy candles yeah you have so they're

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so the idea is you do all these wacky

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then you report exactly on your podcast

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system afterwards so we rate it on a

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danger scale you know how dangerous is

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it a pseudoscience scale how how creepy

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is it and the pocket trainer value yeah

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how much you know how much it'll drain

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in your pocket exactly wow oh it's kind

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of self-explanatory how long does your

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march 2011. and uh it's called the honor

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i wonder if yoko ono has a podcast she

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the hats and the that's what i was so

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interested in like you know how do you

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tell that to somebody straight to their

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face exactly yeah well you know they

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popular culture um like the hat actually

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urum and the thummim and that whole

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story yeah yeah um but they do tell you

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hard to swallow but if you ask the

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heavenly father he will reveal to you

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the the truth of it so it's this appeal

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to personal revelation right that uh we

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get it you're logical people and they

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very skeptical of this you know we have

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a really hard time buying into this but

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read and ask the heavenly father right

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tactics that i found they used and i

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is that um instead of actually giving us

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evidence for their claims they would

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expected our opposition to be so they'd

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say um instead of actually saying like

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well these are the documents we have

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that support the idea that joseph smith

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say well you know um

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moving the goal posts a little isn't it

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oh sure i don't know if a little is

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right

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terms yes yes not addressing the issue

279
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and we would try to kind of probe out to

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see do they have anything to say about

281
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the archaeology of south america and and

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why we don't have any evidence that

283
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jesus actually came over and what we

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found actually they brought in a

285
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reinforcement on our third meeting with

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them because clearly we'd been asking

287
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more questions and studied more than

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anybody they talked to previously and so

289
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they brought in um you know somebody who

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was more experienced and so we had three

291
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of them now meeting with us and we found

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that their response would be you know

293
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that's an excellent question that wow so

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incisive uh insightful but

295
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um you know we wonder that too we've

296
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just put that on the shelf you know and

297
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we'll ask the heavenly father when we

298
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get to heaven well hey

299
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right there you go yeah at some point we

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started to be like okay but that's a

301
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kind of important yeah but they just

302
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kind of you know say all right we've

303
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gotten to this point where it's kind of

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do or die like either we can explain

305
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this or we can't and they'd say yeah

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let's table that for the afterlife i

307
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like i like that idea so you get to the

308
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afterlife and you put god and god says

309
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i tell you what let's discuss this

310
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right we have some harps to play for now

311
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so

312
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how long was this whole mormon adventure

313
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it's still going on it's still good yeah

314
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actually as of you know this

315
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conversation we just got confirmed in

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the church last sunday which means we

317
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received the holy spirit well there you

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go yeah you know the whole thing in

319
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front of the congregation it's a large

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congregation um hundreds of people and

321
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you know they surround us put their uh

322
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hands on our heads and they said this

323
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prayer and the the sunday before that we

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were baptized into the church so we got

325
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to wear these white jumpsuits

326
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and we'll be talking more about this in

327
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the upcoming episode giving the details

328
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on that

329
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um but uh you know i've invited the

330
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elders to my work and shown them around

331
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and we've taken them out for dinner

332
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they're great guys really nice i'm sure

333
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they are look i've met in the street and

334
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and at my door

335
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uh elders from the church of latter-day

336
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saints

337
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these kids well-meaning kids aren't they

338
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oh by and large you know from good

339
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families and

340
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uh

341
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not an evil thought in their heads oh

342
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yeah they're incredibly incredibly sweet

343
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um

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i mean we like hanging out with them we

345
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think of them as friends which is what's

346
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made this really difficult as the end

347
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approaches of course also you know that

348
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a percentage of them and i'm not sure

349
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what the percentage is will crash

350
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one day

351
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yes it will come to a very unhappy end

352
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for them yes i think the percentage is

353
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probably quite high i know several

354
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former mormons mormons it's sort of sad

355
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in a way knowing that that's in their

356
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future it is but uh you know the flip

357
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side of that is that if they are

358
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believing in a system that's um

359
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ultimately not based on the truth and

360
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might be detrimental to them then you

361
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want to help them move past that

362
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and what we're doing is unique because

363
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we are going there and getting involved

364
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firsthand and you know it's a tightrope

365
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that we're walking because you know

366
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we're trying to be as honest as possible

367
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with them but at some point we're going

368
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to have to say sorry you know we did

369
00:14:08,710 --> 00:14:06,639
give this an honest yes uh try yeah but

370
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we did come in into it with you know a

371
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certain viewpoint and we left probably

372
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with the same viewpoint yeah yeah and

373
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and we we don't want to hurt them no no

374
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you don't because they're good people so

375
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i think we've been introducing some

376
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skeptical ideas and it was amazing and

377
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the conversations we had with them i was

378
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able to introduce some very skeptical

379
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thoughts and they would always say wow

380
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that's really interesting i never

381
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thought of that before so we're

382
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introducing some of these ideas

383
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we don't know how it's going to affect

384
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them when we say

385
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sorry we don't believe this and we are

386
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going to tell them we've agreed at this

387
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point that we'll tell them we do this

388
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podcast and um

389
00:14:46,710 --> 00:14:44,639
you know we we've been completely honest

390
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with you about our level of faith yeah

391
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but um you know we haven't completely

392
00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:51,680
divulged some of our motivation

393
00:14:54,949 --> 00:14:53,440
and i think that will probably hurt them

394
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and yeah

395
00:14:58,230 --> 00:14:56,639
it's an interesting it's an interesting

396
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path you're following there if i can put

397
00:15:03,750 --> 00:15:01,040
it in that way but what's uh what's on

398
00:15:06,550 --> 00:15:03,760
your horizon then after this

399
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you're going to infiltrate the skeptical

400
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but

401
00:15:19,990 --> 00:15:18,320
uh yeah you know i wish we could tell

402
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you all of them but at the end of every

403
00:15:24,069 --> 00:15:21,600
episode we give a hint about what the

404
00:15:25,829 --> 00:15:24,079
next one's about well that's fine like

405
00:15:27,670 --> 00:15:25,839
sometimes it rhymes sometimes it's in

406
00:15:30,389 --> 00:15:27,680
musical form

407
00:15:32,550 --> 00:15:30,399
but let's say you have a um a wide

408
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selection of things coming up possibly

409
00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:34,480
or something you'd like to do anyway oh

410
00:15:38,230 --> 00:15:36,800
yes absolutely and and some of them we

411
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want to lay off religion for a little

412
00:15:41,910 --> 00:15:40,480
bit right i don't blame you we've been

413
00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:41,920
doing that yeah we've done that a little

414
00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:44,240
bit lately um so we'll probably go into

415
00:15:48,069 --> 00:15:45,680
some other like alternative medicine

416
00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:48,079
practices maybe some some ghost hunting

417
00:15:52,389 --> 00:15:49,920
or reiki or something that would be fun

418
00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:52,399
yeah yes hang out i've done that hanging

419
00:15:56,230 --> 00:15:54,480
out at 100 houses oh how was it yeah

420
00:15:57,910 --> 00:15:56,240
nothing happened

421
00:15:59,590 --> 00:15:57,920
i mean we've had a lot of these

422
00:16:02,069 --> 00:15:59,600
experiences before we're the type of

423
00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:02,079
people that do this anyway right i mean

424
00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:03,680
with my involvement in the independent

425
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:06,160
investigations group i've been to you

426
00:16:09,910 --> 00:16:07,680
know

427
00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:09,920
uh the ufo yeah

428
00:16:13,749 --> 00:16:12,240
i just made up a whole new category i

429
00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:13,759
like that i like it you've been to a

430
00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:15,360
sans i've been doing it

431
00:16:23,110 --> 00:16:20,870
oh i can't even think of the word right

432
00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:23,120
now there's a meditation a ufo

433
00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:25,600
meditation you have a meditation yes yes

434
00:16:31,910 --> 00:16:29,519
i've been doing a ufo related baptism

435
00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:31,920
if that makes any sense no but with the

436
00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:34,079
raelians oh

437
00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:36,639
so you know i i've already done this

438
00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:38,800
kind of stuff and we figured how perfect

439
00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:40,399
would it be for us just to report back

440
00:16:44,310 --> 00:16:42,480
on it yeah and actually we had actually

441
00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:44,320
been to the kabbalah center together

442
00:16:47,509 --> 00:16:45,920
before we even conceived of the show

443
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:47,519
because that's the kind of stuff we like

444
00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:48,480
to do

445
00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:50,880
so we went to the cabal center hung out

446
00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:52,560
for like two hours talked about it

447
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:55,360
afterwards told everybody and um

448
00:17:01,990 --> 00:17:01,189
yeah i i'm on the mailing list for so

449
00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:02,000
many

450
00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:05,199
woo and pseudoscience and kind of ultra

451
00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:07,360
conservative groups you know i just i'd

452
00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:09,039
love to know what they're up to so i'm

453
00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:10,640
constantly getting yeah and you too

454
00:17:14,309 --> 00:17:12,000
right yeah and we're both former

455
00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:14,319
believers so i think um that might play

456
00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:16,240
into it too yeah i have a lot of like

457
00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:17,760
scriptural knowledge because i came out

458
00:17:21,669 --> 00:17:20,000
of an evangelical christian upbringing

459
00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:21,679
and so i i was one of those biblical

460
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:24,000
literalists i was taught creationism in

461
00:17:27,429 --> 00:17:25,679
high school and so i know those

462
00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:27,439
arguments and i know you know when they

463
00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:29,520
start talking about bible passages oh

464
00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:32,320
you mean you know john 14 26 or whatever

465
00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:33,760
i know where they're going with it and

466
00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:35,600
the mormons really respected that too

467
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:36,400
yeah

468
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:39,600
and i i've

469
00:17:46,230 --> 00:17:42,720
flipped through it but it's it's

470
00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:46,240
it's a little funny it's it's all oh

471
00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:48,000
we should tell you the church services

472
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:49,200
you know because they really want you to

473
00:17:54,070 --> 00:17:50,880
go there and be experiencing the church

474
00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:54,080
three hours three hours well the actual

475
00:17:58,390 --> 00:17:56,240
service is an hour but then you go to a

476
00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:58,400
scripture class after that or doctrine

477
00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:00,320
class after that and then after that the

478
00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:02,080
men and the women are split up and the

479
00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:04,000
women go to relief society which is

480
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:06,000
dreadfully depressing

481
00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:07,760
and the men go to a priesthood meeting

482
00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:09,120
priesthood meaning yeah

483
00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:10,960
so three hours in total do you think

484
00:18:14,950 --> 00:18:13,039
that's part of the indoctrination

485
00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:14,960
oh how's the length of time that that

486
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:17,200
you'll absolutely well you know we've

487
00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:18,559
all heard about the effect the more time

488
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:20,000
you put into it the more you sacrifice

489
00:18:23,110 --> 00:18:21,360
the more money you give the more

490
00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:23,120
inclined you are to believe it and if

491
00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:25,600
you're giving one tenth of your income

492
00:18:29,990 --> 00:18:27,520
which you're required to do and a slice

493
00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:30,000
of your time a huge slice of your time

494
00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:31,919
and and absolutely like as soon as you

495
00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:33,440
show up they want to know your name and

496
00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:34,559
it's not enough they want to know your

497
00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:36,480
last name oh where do you live you know

498
00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:38,160
they say we want to make sure you know

499
00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:39,600
you're at the right ward they want to

500
00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:41,360
know the intersection where you live

501
00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:43,200
they want to know your wife and your

502
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:45,440
child's name goes on and on

503
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:46,720
but you know just to play devil's

504
00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:48,400
advocate i mean we probably spend more

505
00:18:51,510 --> 00:18:49,760
than three hours every week at the

506
00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:51,520
center for inquiry so the question is

507
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:53,280
always going to be is this based in fact

508
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:54,640
or not so

509
00:18:58,549 --> 00:18:56,720
um you know uh

510
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:58,559
so far in our investigation we haven't

511
00:19:01,669 --> 00:19:00,080
found evidence that it's based in fact

512
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:01,679
and that's that's the center i spend

513
00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:03,360
more than three hours of week on the

514
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,760
internet there we go so

515
00:19:08,789 --> 00:19:07,440
but immediately they're

516
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:08,799
making these connections they're kind of

517
00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:10,400
giving you duties saying oh you could

518
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:12,080
help out cleaning the church or you

519
00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:14,640
could help stocking the the cans for the

520
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:16,720
shelter or you know whatever it may be

521
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:18,080
they immediately pull you into this

522
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,320
group give you responsibilities and yeah

523
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:22,320
very quickly you form these friendships

524
00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:24,480
and you feel the sense of duty to other

525
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:26,160
people right and that makes it very hard

526
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:27,840
to get out of because you're forming

527
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:29,919
those connections right basic human

528
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:31,840
behavior absolutely of course they're

529
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:33,280
tapping into that and

530
00:19:37,830 --> 00:19:35,520
and using it very effectively right

531
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:37,840
providing a whole social network and

532
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:39,679
that happens everywhere yeah even here

533
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:41,600
tam it'll happen sure you help out you

534
00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:43,440
do what you can we all do i mean of

535
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,440
course yeah and i mean when they ask us

536
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:47,520
to do things we're like sure

537
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:49,440
we think of these people as like

538
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:52,080
wonderful people friends and it's really

539
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:53,840
easy to be like sure we'll help you set

540
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:56,000
that up so you you've also been dealing

541
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:57,600
or met with ex

542
00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:00,080
moments yeah well um brian keith dalton

543
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:02,240
who plays mr deity obviously

544
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:03,919
he's actually our theme music composer

545
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:06,320
and he's yeah and he's on our consultant

546
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:08,960
team so he consulted um our mormonism

547
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:11,280
journey uh because he grew up in the

548
00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:12,559
mormon church

549
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,160
and was a missionary

550
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:16,080
um obviously fell away

551
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,230
that would be good but yeah we have a

552
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:30,559
few ex-mormon friends yeah but brian's

553
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:31,679
been the most active in the

554
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:33,360
investigation he's really heard about

555
00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:35,200
every single step and given us we both

556
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:37,360
had um two different ex-mormon friends

557
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:38,640
who showed up for our baptism they

558
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:41,919
actually came and sat in yeah watched

559
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:44,159
just dumped dunked yeah

560
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,190
they put their arm around you it's

561
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:57,360
actually very sexy okay

562
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:59,039
for her where's the photo i think it's

563
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,480
the elder who i have a little bit of a

564
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:02,720
crush on to do there you go but um they

565
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,280
put their arm around you and speak in

566
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:07,760
this very loud booming voice and then

567
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:10,240
dunk you you know backwards as if you're

568
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:13,200
dunking someone and dancing

569
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:14,559
what are you wearing

570
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:30,310
that's a lot of tithing in a year off

571
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:33,360
so i wish i could see the picture

572
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,600
so you come up all

573
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,440
the water coming off and suddenly there

574
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:39,840
you go and then yeah

575
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,600
then you're

576
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:43,520
i guess the purpose of the baptism is so

577
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:45,840
that you can be saved but then you still

578
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,320
have to receive the holy spirit and be

579
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:50,159
confirmed in the church in order to be a

580
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:51,840
full-fledged ritual upon ritual upon

581
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:53,440
ritual right i mean that's that's

582
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:55,919
nothing unusual right of course i'm

583
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,679
looking at a photograph now ladies and

584
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,440
gentlemen

585
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:01,440
goodness me

586
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:02,799
that's going on the cover of the next

587
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:05,520
skip now that's not very sexy at all

588
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,600
you know it's funny they gave me a

589
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,200
jumpsuit i don't think i told you this

590
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:11,440
ross they gave me one that i put on and

591
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:13,520
it was like really really tight and they

592
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:15,919
immediately were like no no no no no no

593
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,200
no no

594
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,600
well i'm sure i'm sure you have a lovely

595
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:21,360
flattering figure but in this you never

596
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,320
know

597
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:25,280
folks imagine a white potato sack

598
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:26,960
and that's the dunking outfit there you

599
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:28,960
go the intent is like that of kellogg's

600
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:33,120
cereal to remove any sexual desire

601
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:34,799
now very fetching very effectively well

602
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:37,919
look what an interesting course you

603
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:40,240
are taking both of you thanks

604
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,039
it's

605
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:43,039
fascinating and i'm sure your listeners

606
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,159
will be

607
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,320
uh eagerly awaiting

608
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,320
each episode how often does the podcast

609
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:50,159
come out about once a month right now

610
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:51,760
we're moving to exactly once a month

611
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,400
you've got a schedule for us so yeah

612
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,640
the investigations take a lot of time so

613
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,400
how long is each episode

614
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:00,400
um under an hour always usually that's

615
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,960
cool 40 minutes nice little nice

616
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,640
chunk size bikes people can listen to

617
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,480
why they're walking the dog or yeah or

618
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:08,559
whatever they're doing oh no

619
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:10,880
ross and carrie the podcast the

620
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,440
adventure the fascinating insight into

621
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:15,120
other people's belief systems and you

622
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:17,360
can find that at o h

623
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:24,549
ross and kerry thank you for being on

624
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,510
hi this is carrie poppy i am ross

625
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:45,919
bletcher oh hey ross hey we're from a

626
00:23:51,270 --> 00:23:49,440
podcast called oh no rousey carey we

627
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:51,280
find out what happens when you show up

628
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,880
and ask questions we've hung out with

629
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,200
the cabalists the mormons we've gone and

630
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:57,840
gotten ear candles gone to the sikhs we

631
00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:00,159
show up so you don't have to so find out

632
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:02,080
where we're going next we'll even have

633
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,159
special episodes where we have famous

634
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,640
guests like brian dalton from mr deity

635
00:24:11,470 --> 00:24:08,400
you heard that awesome theme music he

636
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,480
wrote that you should come visit us at

637
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:13,360
onopodcast.com or

638
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:14,960
facebook.com

639
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:17,360
on rack what the hell's on rackross ross

640
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,110
that's our show that's the smart come

641
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:25,279
join us

642
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:28,640
hi i'm dr stefan soyker lead astral

643
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:30,799
ophthalmologist at the infinite vision

644
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:33,279
third eye hospital you may find it hard

645
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,600
to believe but the third eye can suffer

646
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:37,679
the same kinds of debilitating

647
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:39,760
infectious and degenerative diseases as

648
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,159
your other two eyes ectoplasmic

649
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,720
conjunctivitis pineal cataracts

650
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,640
inflammation of the etheric tube

651
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:48,799
clairvoyant macular degeneration

652
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:51,600
precognitive retinal dystrophy and even

653
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,559
such afflictions as stigmata astigmatism

654
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:56,880
where your phantasmagorical crucifixion

655
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,960
wounds can appear blurry and tunnel

656
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,799
vision where you can only see dead

657
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,400
people if they are standing right in

658
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:04,799
front of you here at the infinite vision

659
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:07,360
third eye hospital we've seen it all

660
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,000
pardon the pun we once treated a chakra

661
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:12,240
balancing practitioner with third eye

662
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,320
color blindness who had been mixing up

663
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:16,720
the chakra aura glows of their patients

664
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,720
they came to us in a terrible state

665
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,880
after a chakra balancing went horribly

666
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:22,640
wrong and they'd stuck their patients

667
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,120
head chakra right up their base chakra

668
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,600
no matter what kind of tertiary ocular

669
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,760
affliction you may be suffering from the

670
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,840
infinite vision third eye hospital's

671
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,159
team of transcendental optometrists and

672
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:36,720
ophthalmic faith healers has defined the

673
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,520
perfect treatment to restore your 2020

674
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,000
mystical vision your first consultation

675
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:44,400
and diagnosis requires you to do nothing

676
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:46,640
at all as it is conducted entirely by

677
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,640
remote viewing payment for the session

678
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:50,960
is also made by remote billing via

679
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:53,679
paypal we usually begin with a third eye

680
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,320
test using a standard chakra chart

681
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,559
almost everybody can clearly make out

682
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,640
the seven chakras of the elephant on the

683
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,559
first row but as we move through the

684
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:04,799
chart down through hippopotamus chakras

685
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:07,120
donkey chakras pig goat and poodle

686
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:09,520
chakra any loss of clarity is quickly

687
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,400
identified

688
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,880
until now only the most gifted prophets

689
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,799
and psychics can make out the third eye

690
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,279
chakra chart bottom row of pygmy possum

691
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:19,919
chakra etruscan shrew chakra bumble bee

692
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,720
bat mouse lemur pygmy marmoset african

693
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:24,720
pygmy mouse and of course the cuban

694
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,520
zunzen bird chakra once we've identified

695
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,679
the focal limits of your paramnesia and

696
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,159
psychopathology a treatment regime is

697
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,080
quickly imagined and we have developed

698
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,440
some truly unbelievable treatments reiki

699
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:39,520
eye drops which are applied by an

700
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:42,080
extremely dexterous waving of the hands

701
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:43,520
and squeezing of the thumb and

702
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:45,679
forefinger together above the forehead

703
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:47,600
whilst the patient is in the setup and

704
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:50,799
hasn't yoga position or we may apply a

705
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:53,840
detox forehead pad to draw the toxins

706
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:55,360
out right through the front of your

707
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:58,559
skull in some cases we may also flip the

708
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,440
pad over and draw the toxins right back

709
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:03,679
in again to kill the ectoplasm that

710
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:05,919
might be causing any secondary tertiary

711
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:08,400
ophthalmic inflammation a corrective

712
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,039
prescription crystal monocle worn either

713
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,200
clipped to the nasal arch bridge of a

714
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:15,600
standard pair of spectacles or sewn into

715
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,679
a colourful headband will focus your

716
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:20,159
visions and allow you to see deep into

717
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,840
the realms of invisible entity

718
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:24,240
manifestations unseen by even the most

719
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:26,720
experienced parapsychologist sometimes a

720
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,279
few simple third eye exercises might be

721
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:31,919
all you need let's try one right here

722
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:34,480
now close your first two eyes keeping

723
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:36,960
your third eye wide open i want you to

724
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:39,679
focus first on the nearest microscopic

725
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:42,559
sub quantum scalar energy entity within

726
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:45,360
your field of inner vision now suddenly

727
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,159
gaze upon the cosmological multiverse in

728
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:50,880
its entirety then quickly focus back on

729
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:53,840
the sub quantum scalar entity how did

730
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,799
that work for you do this exercise 100

731
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:59,200
times and your third eye will be ready

732
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:02,080
to zoom in and out on whatever astral or

733
00:28:05,470 --> 00:28:04,399
chakric realm your inner visioning and

734
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,480
spiritual

735
00:28:09,870 --> 00:28:07,760
self-actualizationing requires for

736
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:09,880
well-beingness healthiest and

737
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:12,559
claritivity of your vision oscillation

738
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:14,720
in itude don't come to the infinite

739
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:16,880
vision third eye hospital you don't need

740
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:20,159
to i can remotely view you right now yes

741
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:22,960
i can this is dr stephen soyker please

742
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:25,039
continue taking your clothes off and

743
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:26,880
make yourself very

744
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:38,630
now it's time for dr raichi reports with

745
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:45,990
dunlop i'm here at tam nine in las vegas

746
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,240
outside the grand ballroom where sgu are

747
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,240
currently doing a live podcast and i'm

748
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,080
with captain disillusion hi captain

749
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:54,240
disillusion hi dr rachie nice to meet

750
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:55,440
you how are you going how are you

751
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:58,240
enjoying tam it's a lot of fun um this

752
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,080
time for the first time i'm an exhibitor

753
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:02,080
so i'm here with a table and i'm doing

754
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,679
you know i'm still learning the ropes

755
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:05,200
with this whole thing i don't get a

756
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:07,200
chance to see as much presentations but

757
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,960
the things i've snuck into have been

758
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,559
really interesting

759
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:12,399
well i should describe to our listeners

760
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:14,080
that actually you're in full costume

761
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,120
today aren't you yes indeed in the past

762
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:19,039
i've been sort of incognito just

763
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,960
sneaking in as a regular looking

764
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:23,520
individual but i decided i should show

765
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,640
myself in full force this time so i'm i

766
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:28,399
look the way i look in my web series

767
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,159
captain disillusion and people are

768
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,720
coming by saying hello it's a lot of fun

769
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,399
it's nice to be recognized sometimes

770
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:36,960
people are able to spot me even in my

771
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,399
human look but uh this is much easier

772
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,320
well i recognized you in your human look

773
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,320
yesterday because you once drove me to

774
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:46,880
the train station in florida

775
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,520
and you weren't in your outfit then so i

776
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:51,919
i know the secret identity of you that's

777
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:54,240
right and you better keep it to yourself

778
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:57,600
i'm not saying anything um so you are um

779
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,960
can you just tell our listeners a little

780
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,559
bit about captain dissolution because it

781
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,120
is a youtube series isn't it sure yeah i

782
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:05,520
um i started it a few years ago and it's

783
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:08,559
a it's a funny web series where as i

784
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:11,120
wanna be skeptical superhero i pick

785
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,279
different uh viral videos that are

786
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,360
popular online that feature paranormal

787
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,440
stuff or something really unbelievable

788
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:20,159
and i deconstruct them i look at what

789
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,840
potential visual effects went into

790
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:23,919
making them and why they may or may not

791
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,080
be real and kind of explain it to people

792
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,240
in a really fun way where you know i use

793
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,960
humor and a lot of visual effects um you

794
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:32,720
know explanations and

795
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:33,440
uh

796
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,840
you know just keep it entertaining but

797
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:37,360
teach people something about about

798
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:39,679
skepticism at the same time so basically

799
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:41,760
you're disillusioning people that's

800
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,799
right it's

801
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,399
you know so you're the party people

802
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,080
right i am but i try to do it in the

803
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,320
maximum fun way possible so i think they

804
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,399
forgive me most of the time so what sort

805
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,640
of topics have you covered in that

806
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,720
i don't usually go for the heavy stuff

807
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,720
you know like uh like uh

808
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:59,200
you know medical sort of uh

809
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:00,559
pseudoscience and things like that i

810
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,000
just concentrate on things you could

811
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:04,080
basically find on youtube you know just

812
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:06,159
kind of learning to analyze

813
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,279
um

814
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:09,440
electronic moving images because that's

815
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:11,679
important nowadays because we live in an

816
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,080
age where we can use computers to alter

817
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:16,080
a lot of things and it's hard to trust

818
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:17,120
what you see

819
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,880
yeah so i'm i concentrate on that's kind

820
00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:20,640
of that kind of thing

821
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:21,520
yeah

822
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:23,120
so um

823
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:24,640
how many series have you done now on

824
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:27,360
youtube well i have uh it's like close

825
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:31,279
to 20 videos but um some of them are

826
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:34,000
sort of splits of like like a single

827
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,440
episode might be split into multiple

828
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:38,080
videos so i am notorious for being very

829
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,760
slow with coming out with new episodes

830
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:41,760
and that's partly because yeah partly

831
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,240
because i'm you know i try to keep such

832
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:46,480
a high production value i basically make

833
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:49,360
like a mini movie every single time and

834
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,559
so i do have sort of a day job in my

835
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,279
secret regular life and so it's it's

836
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:57,760
always a struggle to you know to do this

837
00:32:01,909 --> 00:32:00,559
stuff which i love and also you know

838
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,919
work

839
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:03,440
so do you do all of the production

840
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,440
yourself yes that's another reason why

841
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,200
it takes a while because i i'm basically

842
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,600
like a one-man production company i do

843
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:11,279
have a little bit of help often when i

844
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:12,799
film them because obviously there needs

845
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,679
to be a camera person but um i after

846
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,080
that i i do all the editing visual

847
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:20,720
effects sound post-production work you

848
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,760
know by myself just stage by stage and i

849
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:25,519
do enjoy it but it's sort of like you

850
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,519
know you create that task list of what

851
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,039
needs to be done and it's like longer

852
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,039
than your arm and you just have to do it

853
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:33,360
one by one so is your background in

854
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:34,960
production and that sort of thing how

855
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:37,600
did you come to do to do this well yeah

856
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,559
i'm i'm educated as a filmmaker that's

857
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,080
that was my major in college and i've

858
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:44,480
worked on films and um

859
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,600
now i

860
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,360
when i don't do captain disillusion i

861
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:49,120
essentially do the same kind of work for

862
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,000
other people so be it music videos or

863
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,919
commercials you know anywhere where i

864
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:55,679
need to do some kind of visual effects

865
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,799
work editing or even filming

866
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,799
so in front of me i have a dvd which

867
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,320
you're selling here at tam it's called

868
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,919
captain disillusion fame curve

869
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:05,120
collection

870
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:07,519
what's on the dvd uh on the dvd are all

871
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:10,320
the main episodes like basically all of

872
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,440
the the

873
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:13,120
library that you will find on my youtube

874
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:15,840
channel but uh sort of remastered in

875
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:17,679
some cases in better quality you know

876
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,080
the earlier ones and um

877
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,919
uh some of the episodes are combined the

878
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:23,440
ones that are split on youtube into

879
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,600
multiple pieces are combined into one

880
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:27,919
plus many many extras like audio

881
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:29,919
commentary you know as as i'm a

882
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:31,200
filmmaker

883
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,720
other people interested in production

884
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,799
stuff like to listen to the commentary

885
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:36,720
um from the filmmaker on

886
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:38,799
the stuff plus behind the scenes like

887
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,399
the episode we did with james randy

888
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:42,000
there's some behind the scenes stuff of

889
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,799
that

890
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,640
some interviews and a lot of interesting

891
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,640
things so i just thought i'd put it all

892
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,480
together and just have it as one package

893
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,799
for people who are already fans

894
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:52,480
and you told me earlier that richard

895
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,840
saunders has done something for one of

896
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,600
your episodes what did he do yeah that's

897
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,080
right well at tam seven it was probably

898
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,000
uh like the craziest

899
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,080
experience for me because i i attempted

900
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:05,120
to film a lot of material and

901
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:06,320
make an episode out of that it's

902
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:08,079
actually the longest captain disillusion

903
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,679
episode that i've ever done

904
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:11,919
and so i involved a lot of people from

905
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,000
uh the skeptical community and richard

906
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,040
uh was very nice to basically do like a

907
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,280
he's the first person that appears is

908
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:21,119
the first anything that appears in the

909
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:22,879
beginning of that time seven episode and

910
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:25,200
he sort of introduces uh what happened

911
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,560
previously because it's important for

912
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,320
people to know like previously on

913
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:29,760
captain disillusion that's essentially

914
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:32,720
his line and he was very nice and since

915
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:35,359
then actually well on that that same

916
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:38,399
year we uh both were judges on the the

917
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,879
talent show that was put on here so

918
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,800
i got to know him that year and we had a

919
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,240
lot of fun moments

920
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,000
and what about the james randy episode

921
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:48,960
what is his what did he do um well james

922
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,639
randy uh i i knew of of randy before

923
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:54,879
like while i was beginning my my web

924
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,079
series i wasn't really part of the

925
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:57,920
skeptical community per se i was just

926
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:59,920
sort of peripherally or peripherally

927
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:01,599
aware of all the stuff

928
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:04,400
um but as my first few videos got a

929
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,839
little bit of traction i actually

930
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:07,520
received a phone call from james randy

931
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,880
myself wow himself he called me and said

932
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,640
that he's seen some episodes and was

933
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,040
like very impressed by them and invited

934
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,200
me to the j-ref to meet and that's

935
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:19,119
that's how we met yeah it was it was

936
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:21,280
very exciting yeah and i was well i knew

937
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:23,359
who he was but i wasn't like you know

938
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:24,720
like i said part of the movement so it

939
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:27,520
wasn't it was very bizarre for me that

940
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,839
that this happened but i kind of through

941
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:32,079
that event i i got introduced into the

942
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:33,040
the

943
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:36,800
tam shortly after that

944
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:39,760
and uh so i you know as we kind of knew

945
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:41,359
each other i

946
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:42,079
i

947
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,079
am pretty close to where the jane randy

948
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:48,400
foundation is based or was based until

949
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,599
now i suppose in south florida so uh i

950
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:53,359
i'm within driving distance from the

951
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,240
james randy uh library and i just came

952
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:58,000
to them and suggested what if randy was

953
00:36:02,550 --> 00:35:59,680
a guest starring in an episode you know

954
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,560
he he has experience being on camera and

955
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:04,320
acting and that's what we did we did a

956
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:07,040
funny spoof of uh the movie contact

957
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:08,960
based on the carl sagan book

958
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,119
he was really great on my dvd there's a

959
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:13,040
behind the scenes of that um

960
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:15,280
whole shooting process i had we had a

961
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,880
blast doing that

962
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:18,880
wow well that should be worth buying the

963
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,440
dvd just for that and so

964
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,040
you actually look like zach braff on the

965
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,960
cover of this dvd i think

966
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,640
i you know i get a

967
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,800
it's interesting online i keep being

968
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,560
compared to people i got zach braff a

969
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:33,280
few times i also get um what's his name

970
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:34,640
there's a singer

971
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,119
rick ashley the one that rick astley

972
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:39,359
astley yes i don't know why i think it's

973
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,560
something with like the shape of the

974
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,160
hair but um

975
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,839
uh yeah i get i get some strange

976
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,839
comparisons sometimes but uh thank you i

977
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,359
guess that's a compliment he's a pretty

978
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,520
accomplished comedian so so where can

979
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:50,960
our listeners find out more about your

980
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,880
work um i have a website

981
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,400
captaindissolution.com

982
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,920
but they can always go to youtube and

983
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,760
just uh search for captain dissolution

984
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,839
all of my stuff comes right up and i

985
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,680
hope people keep watching while i am a

986
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,359
little bit slow coming out with episodes

987
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,599
i'm working on ways to to do that faster

988
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,599
and to keep the same level of quality so

989
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:09,520
i hope people keep watching awesome

990
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,960
thanks for joining us today and have a

991
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:13,200
great rest of time 9. thank you so much

992
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:28,390
this is eugenie scott national center

993
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:31,440
for science education you can find us at

994
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:37,190
come see us if you want to know anything

995
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,440
about the creationism and evolution

996
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:42,000
conflict in the united states or

997
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,920
moors the pity internationally these

998
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:45,839
days we are clearing house for

999
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:49,040
information on this vexing but certainly

1000
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:50,960
very interesting problem

1001
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:01,910
join us now for drinking skeptically in

1002
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,470
now the avid uh skeptic's own listener

1003
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,400
and i hope you're all avid skeptics and

1004
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:16,160
listeners would have heard uh maynard's

1005
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:17,839
interview last week with jabba what a

1006
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:18,960
funny name

1007
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:21,280
for somebody i'm with maynard right now

1008
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,960
that's a funny name for somebody too

1009
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:24,480
well we both have single names which is

1010
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:26,720
interesting now i worked with jabba as a

1011
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,720
vj on the australian music channel

1012
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:30,800
channel v which was uh

1013
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,800
in australia before mtv actually was and

1014
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:34,400
it's more of our homegrown one and we're

1015
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,839
both presenters there and he was called

1016
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:37,440
java because he got that i don't know it

1017
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:38,880
was a bit of a nickname as he was a kid

1018
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,359
and i got the maynard nickname well in

1019
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,359
1980 when i was with the band so we both

1020
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:45,119
got those solo names there that's great

1021
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,920
like madonna or cheese or cheese cheese

1022
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:49,599
cheese yeah if you go into a shop i'd

1023
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,240
like some cheese you don't say i'm like

1024
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,720
cheese some you know that's what i do

1025
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,320
and i assume it's cheese and you get

1026
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:58,000
cheese that's very good but we would

1027
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,200
just discover

1028
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,280
we were just discussing the the

1029
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:03,040
way some

1030
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,720
people present paranormal on television

1031
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:08,000
and

1032
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,599
some of the comments that you've been

1033
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,200
receiving about this because you've been

1034
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,280
posting up things about this on on your

1035
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:15,359
your various outlets yeah that's right

1036
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,680
yeah i'm on on the on the planet maynard

1037
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:19,760
blog that i i do every once in a while

1038
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:21,440
for the abc there was an interesting uh

1039
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,960
the very first comment after i did the

1040
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,480
interview with jabba was from someone

1041
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,880
who has some expertise in in yowie

1042
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:29,520
research and he said he was really sick

1043
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,480
of of low-grade personalities just

1044
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:34,480
poking fun at the paranormal on

1045
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:35,839
australian television and he uses

1046
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,720
example jabber uh on national geographic

1047
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:40,640
channel um although he seemed to think

1048
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:42,560
that jab was on the abc no jabber is an

1049
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,119
employee at foxtop um and uh and

1050
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:47,040
lawrence leong on the abc with his show

1051
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,640
unbelievable and he thought that both of

1052
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,880
them didn't do the justice to the

1053
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:53,440
paranoia to paranormal now you yourself

1054
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,079
are a presenter on a commercial show

1055
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,560
about the paranormal and so what do you

1056
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:00,960
think well he's saying it wasn't being

1057
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,440
done justice how could you do justice to

1058
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,119
exploring the paranormal and make it

1059
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,720
interesting for everybody out there

1060
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,640
that's a really good question yes i i

1061
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,480
mean we both have

1062
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,079
we both have to be a bit careful what we

1063
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,079
say because we both are involved in in

1064
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:16,160
television and radio networks and things

1065
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:17,280
like that

1066
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:18,240
um

1067
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,560
but to my way of thinking i would like

1068
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:23,280
to see a show which probably wouldn't

1069
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:24,560
work because it might be a little bit

1070
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:25,680
dull where

1071
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:28,560
uh people claiming psychic ability were

1072
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,800
thoroughly tested and that means doing

1073
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:32,960
it multiple the same test multiple times

1074
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,440
and gathering statistics unfortunately i

1075
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:37,440
think it might send the audience to

1076
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:39,119
sleep well i think you'd have to talk to

1077
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:40,720
james randy about that because i believe

1078
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:42,079
that's exactly what he's done over the

1079
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:43,520
years except he hasn't made it for

1080
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,920
television for everything but he's

1081
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:47,520
obviously came up with a blank every

1082
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:50,240
time and maybe it's just in the editing

1083
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:52,240
but it would be expensive and also some

1084
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,839
of the things that the paranormal claims

1085
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:56,160
are very difficult and expensive to test

1086
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:56,880
um

1087
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,839
i i mean ghost hunting i mean it's hard

1088
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:01,520
to get a result there it's very

1089
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,200
difficult to test very difficult to do

1090
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:05,119
but if somebody claimed that they could

1091
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,520
predict the role of a dice for example

1092
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:09,200
you could test that but then it would

1093
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,400
probably just become a show about

1094
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,920
probability which should be interesting

1095
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,839
for mathematicians and for as many

1096
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:15,280
skeptics out there yeah i've been

1097
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,960
dealing with probabilities a lot over

1098
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,400
the last couple of months filming the

1099
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:20,160
one of course because a lot of the uh

1100
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,680
the challenges that our contestants have

1101
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,440
been doing

1102
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:25,280
come back to probability

1103
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,079
and

1104
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,800
in my position i'm trying to find a

1105
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,960
a baseline or what do i judge this

1106
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,200
against if they have a certain amount of

1107
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,880
success in a certain

1108
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:37,200
test well what's the baseline how do we

1109
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,800
know how far that deviates from the

1110
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,319
normal and a lot of people have been

1111
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,240
looking at me saying ah you and your

1112
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,720
statistics again it's like well

1113
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,200
what else do i say and also i think java

1114
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,119
was trying to make a an entertainment

1115
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,680
show and also i the only problem i had

1116
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:53,359
with my interview with jabra is that he

1117
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,040
he's used to the word nut jobs about the

1118
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,119
people fairly early on the interviews

1119
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,200
and i i didn't i didn't pick him up on

1120
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:00,880
that just you know just because yeah

1121
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:01,839
because like i like to do with

1122
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:03,440
interviews i like people you you to get

1123
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:04,560
the feel of what they are and that's

1124
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:05,760
probably the only thing and like he said

1125
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:08,079
he reckons he's a nut job too so

1126
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:09,520
what he was actually saying about them

1127
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,720
probably wasn't as strong as it might

1128
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,480
have sounded but i think he went into

1129
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,560
like let's let's talk to these sort of

1130
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,240
wacky people that have these beliefs and

1131
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,040
i think so and i i think the show is a

1132
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,680
good start but i would like to see these

1133
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:23,359
people and your skeptics are going to

1134
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:24,880
hate me for this i'd like to see these

1135
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,079
people treated with a little bit more

1136
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:28,640
respect i know i'm i'm with you there i

1137
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,119
i it's randy has the same attitude i

1138
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:33,119
mean if you're going to test somebody

1139
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,720
then you treat them with respect you

1140
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:36,480
know and you don't lie to them you don't

1141
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:38,000
make up

1142
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:39,680
stupid things that they can't possibly

1143
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,400
do

1144
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,640
and you and you test them to their claim

1145
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,160
if they claim they can predict the role

1146
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,240
of the dice that's what you test

1147
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,760
it's it's like saying if somebody came

1148
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,200
and said

1149
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:51,200
i'm a great uh concert pianist i can

1150
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,800
play wonderful music it's it's

1151
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,480
incredible he said oh yeah that's really

1152
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:56,560
great here's a guitar prove to me that

1153
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,119
you're a musician it's it's ridiculous

1154
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,040
right so if someone comes and says i can

1155
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:03,200
roll predict the role of the dice or

1156
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,119
someone says i can bend metal then we

1157
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,599
won't say to them really wow we can test

1158
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:09,520
your paranormal ability uh here's the

1159
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,880
deck of cards

1160
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:12,560
yeah no that's a different you know it's

1161
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,839
completely different now listeners may

1162
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,280
be a bit concerned that there's a lot of

1163
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:17,520
funny noises i'll set the scene we're in

1164
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:21,359
a uh a nice uh pub in glebe here in

1165
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,200
sydney called the toxic where i used to

1166
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:25,200
be i used to come here 20 years ago when

1167
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,640
i worked in the area

1168
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,319
until he was banned after what has

1169
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:30,160
become known here in glebe as the

1170
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,680
incident incident that's right well it's

1171
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:34,000
the 20-year period is over now

1172
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,280
that's right and we're right next to the

1173
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:37,040
kitchen so that's why you're hearing

1174
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,880
those things you have to excuse that and

1175
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:40,400
i'm all just saying i want to encourage

1176
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,599
people to put comments onto the

1177
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,760
skeptic's own blog about the show and

1178
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:45,440
what they think i mean you know i'm sure

1179
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:46,640
many of you don't agree with us and some

1180
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,640
of you do and just just just fire it up

1181
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,400
there make it a real vibrant community

1182
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:52,960
and some nice comments uh people

1183
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,680
at the amazing meeting uh were quite a

1184
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:57,280
few people came up to us and said how

1185
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,200
much they enjoyed the show and one very

1186
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,880
nice person came up and said that you

1187
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,000
were the best thing that happened to the

1188
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:03,839
show in the last year well so i'm

1189
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,079
resigning and

1190
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,800
they're obviously delusional but i think

1191
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,480
it is nice that brian dunning does say

1192
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,240
that kind of thing about me it was brian

1193
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:14,319
dunning come to think about it and and

1194
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,920
also i think the latest episode of

1195
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,359
skeptoid that's just been on recently

1196
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,680
had three or four australians in it and

1197
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,599
even some people from newcastle it did i

1198
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,839
thought that was fantastic so yes brian

1199
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,119
does have a lot of listeners in

1200
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,359
australia and we want to uh try and

1201
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,280
organize for him to come back well that

1202
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,359
would be great i mean look um for a

1203
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:33,520
start he's got to pay his bar tab so

1204
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:34,720
he's got to come back into the country

1205
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,839
to pay that or else he just won't be

1206
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,280
allowed in and i can hardly wait to see

1207
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:39,280
him i mean and yeah supposedly what the

1208
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,440
messages we're getting is like be more

1209
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:43,359
proactive on our comments board we

1210
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,720
sometimes we get a few comments for

1211
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,400
shows and the most shows i've got the

1212
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:48,160
most comments have been um when i spoke

1213
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,680
to jessica adams who was still my friend

1214
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,119
by the way i've got a lot of comments

1215
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,520
the the astrology yes yep and and the

1216
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,800
adam curry one that got a lot of

1217
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:57,359
comments too uh the one on 60 minutes

1218
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:58,720
when there was the anti-vaccination

1219
00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:59,839
story that got a lot of interesting

1220
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:02,079
comments as well and what do you think

1221
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:03,440
actually over the entire history of the

1222
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,800
skeptic zone because i've only been

1223
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,480
involved recently has fired up the

1224
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,079
audience the most

1225
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,880
uh i think that the jessica adams one

1226
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,280
probably got them yes probably got the

1227
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:15,599
most comments i did an episode very

1228
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,839
early on in the series

1229
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:19,520
four or five weeks into doing the show

1230
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:22,000
which was a a debate

1231
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,640
between a skeptic and a christian

1232
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,560
which in retrospect

1233
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:28,400
i probably wouldn't do again because it

1234
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,760
was a bit of a cop-out you know i just

1235
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,520
played a debate and that got a few

1236
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,359
comments by people saying why are you

1237
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:35,359
playing this and the quality wasn't so

1238
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:37,839
good but um i don't know we'll look for

1239
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,000
the next thing to really uh get our

1240
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,560
listeners to to write in or get angry

1241
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:44,720
about something i sort of avoided

1242
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,800
climate change

1243
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:49,040
because that brings out a lot of very

1244
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:52,000
strange people look it is very

1245
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,880
it is very divisive and look and and and

1246
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,880
i myself i'm continually using that

1247
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:58,400
because i want to know the science on

1248
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:59,839
both sides and everything all the time

1249
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:00,560
and

1250
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,240
in australia where there's a carbon tax

1251
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:06,480
tied to that policy as well um that that

1252
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:08,000
is affecting the way people and what

1253
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,520
industry they live in uh they work in

1254
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:11,359
for example i have some friends in

1255
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:13,200
newcastle that make train wheels now you

1256
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,800
might not know that we actually make

1257
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,640
train wheels in australia anymore we

1258
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:18,319
still make cars down in south australia

1259
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:20,000
melbourne and around there but in

1260
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,520
newcastle we used to have a vibrant

1261
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:23,280
steel industry and pretty much train

1262
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,960
wheels and train carriages and a few

1263
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:26,640
other things is what we make and all

1264
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:28,480
those guys who make train wells and

1265
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,920
there'd be

1266
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,359
many many of them i've only been into

1267
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:33,599
one shop there they they think that if

1268
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:35,119
the carbon tax comes in that they will

1269
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,640
lose their jobs because the train wheels

1270
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,480
will become slightly more expensive and

1271
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:40,720
at the moment china is getting so close

1272
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:43,280
to their um uh to their price and being

1273
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:45,280
able to do it quickly like at the moment

1274
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:46,640
they make they used to make the axles

1275
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:48,319
for the train wheels in the factory

1276
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,599
right next door to where they make the

1277
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,920
wheels they can now import those axles

1278
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,599
from china to go on the train wheels

1279
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,720
cheaper than they can make it in the

1280
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:56,720
factory right next door to where the

1281
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:59,680
chain wheels are made now um and so that

1282
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:01,520
so when people working in that industry

1283
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,440
see that kind of thing going on they

1284
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,520
they would worry about their job and

1285
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:07,440
that's understandable from a human level

1286
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:09,119
so when you've got that kind of emotion

1287
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:10,960
involved in this science you can see why

1288
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:13,839
it fires up it does it does and but in

1289
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:17,760
all my years of doing uh skeptical uh

1290
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,800
investigations and and in in the biz as

1291
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:22,160
you might say

1292
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:23,440
uh yeah

1293
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,920
this climate change issue especially

1294
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,680
especially when so many people label

1295
00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:29,839
themselves or a movement as climate

1296
00:47:34,550 --> 00:47:32,560
change skeptics and it gets completely

1297
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:34,560
mixed up and confused and muddled up

1298
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:37,760
with um paranormal scientific skeptics

1299
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,480
so many people have asked me or told me

1300
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,160
why are you skeptical of climate change

1301
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,160
i said this we're not those skeptics

1302
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,319
they're just people using

1303
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:48,160
and using the word oh and another

1304
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,520
argument i get is

1305
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,760
is are you you skeptics you're so silly

1306
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:55,760
you you used to think the world was flat

1307
00:48:02,069 --> 00:47:59,280
and this facepalm what what what what

1308
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,079
skeptics thought the world was fun what

1309
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,960
or all you skeptics used to burn witches

1310
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:06,640
ah you know

1311
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:08,079
otherwise many of the christians used to

1312
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:08,960
be

1313
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:12,079
skeptical christian which burning what

1314
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:13,520
maybe they just wanted to get the cat

1315
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,000
off the woman i mean that i but

1316
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:18,000
basically i don't

1317
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:19,760
get into the climate change argument

1318
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:22,319
because i've read it and frankly i i

1319
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,839
don't understand it i believe it i

1320
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:25,359
believe personally

1321
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,200
i don't know enough about it i i believe

1322
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,520
personally it's probably happening

1323
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,119
but when i go and start to read the

1324
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,119
evidence about it from either side my

1325
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:35,040
light brand gets freaked out

1326
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:36,160
now this

1327
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,079
the mere fact that we've discussed it

1328
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,319
we'll probably have people writing the

1329
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,880
other issue that riled people up which

1330
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,280
we only meant touched on very briefly on

1331
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,200
this on the think tank once

1332
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,920
was um uh atheism

1333
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:51,920
oh and people whinging back and forth

1334
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:54,400
about that and that got people riled up

1335
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,760
and ready to go so it's really

1336
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,359
interesting to know what topics get

1337
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:59,040
people going because like as a

1338
00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:00,880
relatively newcomer and someone who's

1339
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,920
only just sort of hanging out with

1340
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:03,599
skeptics recently and exactly you know

1341
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,160
exactly and i don't know a lot of stuff

1342
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,720
in this area and as someone i would i

1343
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,720
would now call myself an atheist rather

1344
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:13,200
than an agnostic from just listening and

1345
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,000
thinking things through but i can see uh

1346
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:18,000
believing in a god um

1347
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:20,079
would cause a problem with some skeptics

1348
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,920
because it's a dichotomy going on there

1349
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:23,440
but then again

1350
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,440
you can't test faith

1351
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:27,119
and then again

1352
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,160
there are what i do is i leave the like

1353
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:32,640
the climate change and the atheism

1354
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,960
i leave that as much as possible to

1355
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,119
other people who have a much bigger

1356
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:39,280
interest in those things than i do and

1357
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,559
no more

1358
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,559
you know what part about being a skeptic

1359
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:44,319
is well you've got to know when when you

1360
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,520
don't know well also i am very much an

1361
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,359
intellectual lightweight

1362
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,520
and for that reason i don't want to get

1363
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,200
involved in these discussions because i

1364
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,359
know i'm going to say something stupid

1365
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:57,599
and one of the things about you know

1366
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,680
being a funny guy is you you know when

1367
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,520
not to say something that's not funny

1368
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:03,520
and i just i i tend to er on the

1369
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:04,559
conservative side i'm not saying

1370
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,800
anything simple as that probably a good

1371
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,800
policy i mean how many times have we

1372
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:10,319
heard someone say something that they

1373
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:11,839
probably should have shut up but then

1374
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:13,599
again also when you when you get on the

1375
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,559
edge

1376
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:16,400
of ideas that's when new things are

1377
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,559
found as well yeah yeah well another

1378
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,319
topic that's actually you don't hear

1379
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,640
about anymore that a lot of people

1380
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,400
well four or five years ago used to say

1381
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,720
to me why are you people skeptical of

1382
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:28,480
the moon landing

1383
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,200
that's right and i was skeptical of the

1384
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,880
moon landing as well and there are still

1385
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,720
a few issues with some of the uh the

1386
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:36,800
cross hatching on the photos and there

1387
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:38,319
are some weird reflections that i'd like

1388
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,920
to see explain but i'm pretty sure

1389
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,359
someone went there sometimes i'm pretty

1390
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:43,200
sure they did and in fact in fact one of

1391
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,559
the things i enjoy about now agenda is

1392
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,400
that they believe the initial ones were

1393
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,640
fake but there are now many moon bases

1394
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,720
up there they are telling us about

1395
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,319
isn't that great

1396
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,079
it's like jabra

1397
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:56,240
wow that is like that is a mind-blowing

1398
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:57,040
thing

1399
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,640
and you know if it's not true who cares

1400
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,400
it's a nice little thing to have a play

1401
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,559
with your brain with it is well mainly

1402
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,160
great to catch up with you we must do

1403
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:06,880
these lunches more often and i will end

1404
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:08,160
like i said playing with the brain

1405
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:09,920
having an open brain i i would have to

1406
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:12,160
quote tim mitch in there but uh you know

1407
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:13,760
if your mind is too open your brain will

1408
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:15,520
fall down that is a very good warning as

1409
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:16,400
well

1410
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,950
this is an evp i recorded last night

1411
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:32,240
how are you doing

1412
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:34,640
i'm a ghost what's up

1413
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:36,559
you guys can't possibly ignore that type

1414
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:40,240
of it hey who are you what are you doing

1415
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:42,400
evps are the result of pareidolia and

1416
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,240
cross modulation combined with the

1417
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:46,480
listeners hopes and expectations what

1418
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,839
does this have to do with

1419
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,160
science ah

1420
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:52,400
i think you just got skeptically phoned

1421
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:53,200
well

1422
00:52:00,030 --> 00:51:54,319
gotta go

1423
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:02,390
skepticallyphone.com where false claims

1424
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:09,990
and now we pick up the action at tam 9

1425
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:11,920
in las vegas where the skeptic's guide

1426
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:14,640
to the universe crew kindly invited me

1427
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:16,960
to be their guest auctioneer at the

1428
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:19,359
dinner we're about to hear the bidding

1429
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:22,319
for the prize of being a guest rogue

1430
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,390
okay

1431
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:34,069
and again something i can attest to is a

1432
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:37,359
rare privilege and a knock a lot of fun

1433
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,760
you get to be a guest robe on sgu

1434
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:43,440
you can be there for the entire episode

1435
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,950
this is valid for a year

1436
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:52,800
one year

1437
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:53,680
it's

1438
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:55,520
one of the best prizes

1439
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:56,480
money

1440
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:58,400
can buy

1441
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:00,160
and we're going to start the bidding at

1442
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:27,270
the call is

1443
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:36,069
thirteen hundred dollars ladies and

1444
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:36,720
gentlemen

1445
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:41,670
fourteen

1446
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:44,640
and three spoons

1447
00:53:50,349 --> 00:53:47,599
a seriously 14.50

1448
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:52,630
14.50 late that's where the reports

1449
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:01,990
one of the greatest things you can do as

1450
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:03,359
a fan of the show

1451
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,589
that's a scary ob

1452
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,599
but i think this

1453
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:15,440
big was possibly higher what was your

1454
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:17,359
answer

1455
00:55:19,030 --> 00:54:48,630
what a fantastic beer and it's going

1456
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:29,190
it's going once

1457
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:30,870
it's officially over our highest pay

1458
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,109
2200 is that the latest goal ahead

1459
00:56:06,470 --> 00:55:41,670
22

1460
00:56:28,829 --> 00:56:08,870
23 going twice

1461
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:32,870
2600 and that's going once

1462
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,280
that's going twice

1463
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:37,040
ladies and gentlemen

1464
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,750
once again the skeptics guide to the

1465
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:03,839
universe have honored me greatly by

1466
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:06,480
allowing me to be their auctioneer and i

1467
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:08,240
thank them most sincerely and i thank

1468
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,069
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1469
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:30,559
zone my goodness me

1470
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:31,680
that uh

1471
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,079
ham and hot english mustard and

1472
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,319
sourdough bread was good

1473
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:38,400
oh boy i have to try to top that next

1474
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:41,359
week a couple of things before i go

1475
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:43,040
uh i finished

1476
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:45,040
filming or the whole team of course has

1477
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:47,119
finished filming the tv series the one

1478
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,799
which i've been a part of don't know

1479
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,799
when it's coming on air

1480
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:52,319
soon i hope and that'll be a lot of fun

1481
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:55,200
to see that being broadcast

1482
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,799
i

1483
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:58,640
gave a lot of the people who worked

1484
00:58:01,990 --> 00:58:00,000
there

1485
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:02,000
uh an interesting present as a little

1486
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,440
thank you from me

1487
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:05,520
i went out the other day downtown sydney

1488
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:07,280
and i bought um

1489
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:11,040
a whole heap of d20s now gamers out

1490
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:13,040
there all know exactly what i mean

1491
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:15,760
these are 20 sided die

1492
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:17,200
and i've got one right here in front of

1493
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:19,119
me i'm just looking at they're about the

1494
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:20,960
same size as a regular dice you know or

1495
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:23,760
die but they've got 20 sides

1496
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,359
so i thought

1497
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:27,599
to me that represents um

1498
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:28,640
there we go

1499
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:30,880
to me it represents um

1500
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:33,920
testing skeptical testing the key thing

1501
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:35,040
is

1502
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:36,720
uh have something that gives you a

1503
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,119
random number and uh with that you can

1504
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:41,040
do a lot of tests when you're testing

1505
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:42,559
the paranormal

1506
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:45,280
so i thought i'd do a little test with

1507
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:46,960
the listeners

1508
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:49,440
i want you all to think of a number

1509
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:52,000
from one to twenty it can be one it can

1510
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:54,960
be two all the way up to twenty itself

1511
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,920
think hard i'm going to roll my dice

1512
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:59,520
my die my dice

1513
00:59:01,990 --> 00:59:00,880
i'll be honest and i'll tell you exactly

1514
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:02,000
what the number is but i want you to

1515
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:03,520
think of a number

1516
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,400
right now

1517
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,559
i'll give you a second

1518
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:08,240
okay keep that number in your head here

1519
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:14,230
four

1520
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:17,520
my goodness me how could i do that

1521
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:19,040
how did i know you were thinking of a

1522
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,240
four

1523
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:22,480
well at least one in 20 of you

1524
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:24,880
the other thing i wanted to say was

1525
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,079
i've just finished finished listening to

1526
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:30,720
the podcast from my dear dear friend

1527
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:33,280
george rubb the geologic podcast episode

1528
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:34,160
number

1529
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:35,920
225

1530
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:37,760
if you're not a listener to the geologic

1531
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:39,520
podcast then

1532
00:59:43,230 --> 00:59:40,640
you should

1533
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:43,240
you really should

1534
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:45,520
geologicpodcast.com or simply

1535
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:48,240
google george rubb h

1536
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:50,880
r a b

1537
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:53,839
without uh giving anything

1538
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:56,799
away so to speak i sincerely recommend

1539
01:00:02,630 --> 00:59:59,599
you do listen to the geologic podcast

1540
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:02,640
episode number 225

1541
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,440
it's one of the most

1542
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:08,000
moving pieces of

1543
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:10,000
audio

1544
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:11,920
broadcast podcast whatever you want to

1545
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,880
call it but i've heard

1546
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:16,640
and when you finish listening to the

1547
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:19,520
episode right to the end you'll know why

1548
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:20,960
and you'll know why

1549
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,240
i'm thinking of george at this time

1550
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,319
i'll leave it at that

1551
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:29,040
i recommend you have a listen

1552
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:31,359
but until next week

1553
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,960
and more more reports from tam las vegas

1554
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:36,880
more maynard more everything and a

1555
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:38,799
longer think tank i hope

1556
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,799
this is richard saunders

1557
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:42,480
signing off oh one more time come on

1558
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:43,680
think of another number come on all

1559
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:45,359
those people who didn't think of four

1560
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:47,440
got it

1561
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,950
ten

1562
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:59,670
signing off from sydney australia

1563
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:01,349
you've been listening to the skeptic

1564
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:02,880
zone